Where’s the Reformation now?

February 24, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Posted in Uncategorized | 13 Comments

I found this brief article by Glenn Davies on sydneyanglicans.net.

“It was reported in the Church of England Newspaper (6 February 2009) that over 1500 people attended a Roman Catholic Mass which was celebrated in York Minster in January to mark the achievements of a Yorkshire Roman Catholic woman, Mary Ward, whose three uncles had died in the Gunpowder Plot of 1605.

York Minster is arguably the second most significant Anglican Church in England, being the Cathedral of the Archbishop of York.

Does it not strike you as strange that the great Reformation truths which were hammered out in the 16th century could be so blatantly set aside by the celebration of a Roman Catholic Mass in the Church of England? “

You can read the rest of the article at: http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/insight/has_cofe_forgotten_the_reformation/

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  1. It’s John Sentamu’s , who has progressively (pun intended) disappointed conservatives as the years have passed. Were it Rochester, one might be surprised. Sentamu, like Wright, appears to be a company man, although I’m not sure that Wright has been rewarded with the establishment of an academy in his name…

  2. See VOL at http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9998

    Do you think you can forge a Confessional, Protestant, Reformed and Anglican Church out of this? See the link.

    This historic compromises in Anglicanism? Too deep? I think so.

    Where is the Reformation, Robin asks us? Indeed, where is it?

  3. The geographic monopoly of TEC has been broken, that’s the important thing to come out of the Venebales/Akinola master plan. All else is noise, IMHO. If there are enough people committed to classical 1662 biblical Anglicanism, there will be room for it in the new structure, aligned with the Communion, which is of great importance.
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    Now, is there enough lay interest, that is the question.

  4. Dom, look at the VOL Url posted. I cannot see Reformational Anglicanism arising out of the morass and veggie-mix offered in VOL’s soup du jour. Forgot Virtue, he is in la-la land. AMiA is VOL’s highest inquiry as to Confessional Anglicanism. Weak, on my view. Thoughts?
    Phil

  5. Hi, Phil!
    :
    I read the article. The point, though, for me, is not the ratatouille of the various parties under the protective umbrella. Indeed, that’s to be expected. You don’t ask for purity cards when manning the lifeboats.
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    If there is significant ministerial and lay desire for classical BCP Anglicanism, it will happen. There’s room for it now, and aligned with the communion. What Virtue or the “discontinuous non-Anglicans” or the praise worship charismatics do is not of concern, is it?
    :
    Whether a legitimate, authentic classical BCP Anglicanism has a place is the question. For that, we can’t blame others or flip the doctrinal bit on every solid Anglican, like Packer, who does something with which we disagree, unless the point is just to be a rag-tag collection of sniping ankle-biters.
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    It’s easier to snipe than to lead and be sniped at.

  6. Phil, just to be clear, brother, I’m not accusing you or anyone of defeatist sniping, I’m just making a broad observation in light of the impressive opportunity at hand.
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    Blessings to you and yours!

  7. Hi Dom:

    The intent is not to snipe, but to look at the question realistically and with hard-headed toughness. And with theological clarity.

    On one point above, as per your post, I do ask for a purity card re: non-Anglican-Catholics prior to manning the lifeboat. Let them go down with the ship. Meretricious and histrionic.

    I will look again at the VOL URL and attempt to see how Confessional Anglicanism may/can emerge. Can that emerge with the four dioceses? With AMiA? (maybe with the latter). With the REC? One of their congregations just said a Requiem Mass last week. There are still some Reformed Anglicans amongst them, but they are dying off.

    Whatever results, on this end, committed to reading and weighing the issues.

  8. Hi, Philip!
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    I guess my question would be, do we expect Confessional Anglicanism to “emerge” from the ACNA, or do we look to see what existing Confessional Anglicans are doing, like FCA, to fit into the new picture, whose defining characteristic is the end of geographical monopoly?
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    What is the scenario you are looking for?

  9. Dom, my question, interrogative…was mixed with an imperative of entreaty, to wit, show me where or how this can emerge. Help??!! I am the one who does not see it and wishes to be shown it. Let me ask, again, with earnest entreaty, what scenario do you see emerging?

    As to ACNA, no I can’t see it emerging there with Duncan and Iker-Ackerman-Schofield (AC’s). Show me if I am wrong here. All ears.

    I am unfamiliar with the work done by FCA, so I confess openly ignorance. Is there hope there? Or, as Robin asked, “Dare we hope?”

    Phil

  10. Hi, Philip
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    Let me put it this way. Was there a network of Confessing Reformed Anglicans immediately prior to the African invasion and the creation of ACNA? I’d argue no. So, I guess my thought is I wouldn’t expect one to materialize out of the creation of a large lifeboat.
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    So, if there are congregations, lay leaders and ministers who would have liked to have worshiped in 1662 fashion, now is the opportunity to come together and put themselves under the ACNA umbrella.
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    Does that make sense? I guess that I’m arguing that the movement has to come from below, just as it did for the folks that first put themselves under Akinola and company over a year ago.
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    So, I see this as an opportunity for lay leaders and ministers to educate and evangelize, promoting the 1662 and Articles and classical Reformed Anglicanism.
    :
    Robin’s doing good writings here, but where’s the single resource for Americans, that includes a Reformed catechism, short historical documents outlining the beauty, theology and history of Reformed Anglicanism (and also problems with TEC, A/C, 1928, etc, but the major message has to be presenting something great, not harping on others)?
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    Where are the resources for folks to present Reformed Anglicanism to their fellow parishioners?
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    This is a time of flux and, hence, opportunity.

  11. Brother Dom and others:

    On this specific thread, will bow out. Fear of being perceived as negative or carping. Not backing away from the issues. Not backing away from reading here either. Will read what you men post, thoughtfully.

    Robin, indeed, is doing good things by way of writing. I hope he continues.

    Indeed, as you note, this is a time of flux and opportunity. But, as Bishop John Wordsworth said, “Keep a clear head and be skeptical,” or as the REC Bishop Theo Herter often said…repeatedly, “Be as harmless as a dove and as wise as a snake.”

    Brethren, keep discussing.

    Phil

  12. I hope no one is expecting that the Confessional Protestant Anglican Christians are just going to emerge as some primal protozoa from the slime. VOL may be a useful tool to get the Evangelical message out but a Reformed Protestant Anglican Confessional Christian Church is not going to just emerge. There is a necessity for a catalyst. There is the necessity for preachers, evangelists, workers, planters, wateres, evangelistics, etc. It is not going to just emerge from VOL nor from the ACNA conglomerate. Fatalism does no good. But action does. We must work together, share resources, ideas and prayers. There is a lot to be depressed about. And so there was on the day of crucifixion even till the Resurrection and appearantly afterwards. It does us no good to know a lot if we don’t share it. If we keep it to ourselves, we are selfish. The truth if spoken will like the released arrow find its mark. It’s about faith. It’s about hope. It about love.

  13. All:

    I think Robin has written an article on the ACNA/AMiA/REC dynamics re: prospects for Confessional Anglicanism in the nation. Worth analysis that.


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